Re: need to include and install CPAN modules as part of applicationstack

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With all due respect Uri, you're not being particularly friendly.
This is a list for beginners, people are going to say things you
think are stupid from time to time, but you should either stay
your hand or be more constructive. Looking at your last few
posts the quoted text below isn't an isolated case...
Speaking as someone who was once a beginner himself ( ;-) ),
please be a tad more constructive and a bit more warm and
friendly :)

Perhaps these two entries from the FAQ might be appropriate:
[1]http://learn.perl.org/faq/beginners.html#2.3 are there any
rules
[2]http://learn.perl.org/faq/beginners.html#2.6 is there
anything i should keep in mind while answering

Robin

On 28 Jan 2011, at 05:45, Uri Guttman wrote:



"BL" == Ben Lavery <ben.lavery@gmail.com> writes:



BL> Personally, I'd like to see a way of executing a perl

BL> script/application in such a way that Perl runs off and grabs
any

BL> required modules from CPAN (if the user has permission, of
course).



that makes very little sense. what if the program is running on a
box

with no net connection? there are many other reasons why that is
a silly

thing to desire. i will leave it as an exercise to list them.



uri



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References

1. http://learn.perl.org/faq/beginners.html#2.3 are there any rules
2. http://learn.perl.org/faq/beginners.html#2.6 is there anything i should keep in mind while answering

RK> With all due respect Uri, you're not being particularly friendly.
RK> This is a list for beginners, people are going to say things you
RK> think are stupid from time to time, but you should either stay
RK> your hand or be more constructive. Looking at your last few
RK> posts the quoted text below isn't an isolated case...
RK> Speaking as someone who was once a beginner himself ( ;-) ),
RK> please be a tad more constructive and a bit more warm and
RK> friendly :)


RK> that makes very little sense. what if the program is running on a
RK> box with no net connection? there are many other reasons why that
RK> is a silly thing to desire. i will leave it as an exercise to list
RK> them.

if you think that was unfriendly, you need to see more stuff on the
net. the worst i said was silly. saying not making sense is factual
IMNSHO. note that the poster didn't reply as to why they wanted this
with some concrete reasons. among the reasons it is a silly idea is that
module will have dependencies, they will need c compilers if xs is used,
they ask questions of the user during installation, etc. none of those
would be nice to happen at run time as the OP wants.

sometimes it is better to slap a newbie on the wrist than to coddle them
with sweet nothings. this is one case where the idea needs to be shot
down quickly before it can fester and grow.

uri

On Tue, 01 Feb 2011 18:00 -0500, "Uri Guttman" <uri@StemSystems.com>
wrote:

As a teacher, I'd disagree...My experience leads me to believe bluntly
shooting down beginners discourages them. I wouldn't be surprised if
the poster has left the list and perhaps even gone as far as leaving
perl well alone, depending on his current level of ability.

I'm not saying that what he said made sense, I do agree with what you
said in general. But you really shouldn't shoot beginners down like
that, as I said, it generally discourages them.

Anything else should probably be discussed off list as I'd agree this is
very off-topic.

Robin